Stuck in the middle... with you?
Hoboken411 and RealHoboken get in a mudfight, sticking me in the middle.
Neither Joe Concha nor 411 site owner Perry Klaussen can lay any serious claim to journalistic integrity. Both have glaring personal agendas that they showcase, while simultaneously insisting that no such agenda exists.
Much of their disaffection results from their similar neediness. Both are thin-skinned, verging on the dysfunctional. Both crave outsized amounts of reassurance, and use their blogs for embarrassing public displays of ill-advised navel-gazing. To wit: "I was inspired to write this post earlier this week when I was showering at 7am, not to “get ready for work”, but rather to “get ready to sleep” after not showering for three days, and being up for 24 straight hours, and only getting FOUR hours of sleep the previous 72!" While a certain amount of such 'inside' information might be endearing, Klaussen spends an inordinate amount of time regaling his readers with his heroic efforts to run his site and, uh, his spotty personal hygiene. Concha lives in a similarly distorted world.
Hoboken's a small town, and there may not be sufficient public attention to assuage both these self-obsessed, damaged egos.
Usually, I wouldn't post about a spat between this pair. (It's just not that interesting, and I rarely post these days anyway.) But Concha, who sporadically leaves mean-spirited (if cryptic) comments here, used my name to support a fevered 'expose' of his 411 rival. Klaussen does not seem to have responded directly, but his sycophants are linking to some of Concha's bad behavior here on Mr. Snitch.
Since I don't read either site (I stopped reading 411 when the owner's agenda became baldly evident, and I never did develop a RealHoboken habit), this inbred nastiness could have blown over sans comment from me. But links to my site show up on the SiteMeter. That is how I learned I was an unwilling participant in a Concha/Klaussen grudge match, with both sides citing Mister Snitch as proof of their 'rightness'. (Or anyway, as proof of the other guy's 'wrongness'.)
Good, persuasive writing is the product of insight and lots of rewriting. In other words - work. But Concha's stream-of-unconciousness prose style demands far more work from the reader than the writer himself bothers to put forth. Behold the Chinese Fire Drill that is a Concha sentence: "What Klaussen failed to do way-back-when, or admit now, which is, you know, a major point in all of this, was to inform his readers of this relaxed, first-name-basis-relationship when the financial agreement between Zimmer and Klaussen came to fruition back in the winter, and not following two elections (a third will occur in early November) after a newspaper does its homework."
Concha's desultory presentation and besodden personal reputation (aside to Joe: The people at your summer beach house rentals REALLY like to TALK... think about it) undermine him even when he's right. And his piece on Klaussen, for readers able to see past the troweled-on vitriol, is reasonably accurate. It's reasonably important, as well.
Of course, Concha's 'Real' agenda is to get a rival blogger, not to right a wrong. This is painfully evident. Still, he manages to make the following points, despite himself:
"Realhoboken.com wishes to extend an open letter of thanks to the Hoboken Reporter for their well-researched column for their revelation of a Hoboken-based blog owner..."
The Reporter has done a good job in standing up to the phony HCDO-backed 'reformers' who have managed to get themselves elected lately. At first, reformers-for-rent Soares and Lenz insisted that the HCDO had suddenly 'reformed' itself, and pressured the paper to accept that claim as fact. (The empowerment of Soares and Lenz equals reform, you see.) As HCDO politicians have continued to be indicted, however (most recently in Guttenberg), the line from those enjoying HCDO backing is "HCDO? What HCDO?"
Klaussen is thrilled to have been embraced by this gang. The attention and importance they bestow on him is the balm he craves, and this motivates him far more than the jobs they toss his way. He regularly runs posts soliciting praise from readers, and you can sense how he aches for it. Hey, we all want approval. But when you just can't go on without it, it's going to warp your judgement, and that's where Klaussen is coming from.
"Peter Cunningham of the 5th Ward also hired Klaussen, as if there were no other web designers in the Tri-State area, to handle I.T. duties for his campaign website as well. On September 8, Klaussen accused Cunningham challenger Perry Belfiore of voter fraud despite police reports to the contrary. When asked publicly to make a retraction by Hoboken blog Mister Snitch, Klaussen adamantly refused, according to Snitch owner Jeff Faria.
This is of course where I came in. And it's true: I confronted Klaussen about his site's false accusation of Belfiore. I told him that the proper thing to do was run a correction. At this point, he became hysterical and abusive. He told me he would do no such thing, because he had proof that the police report was "100% wrong" and because "No one cares... we've moved on."
Klaussen likes to talk about his integrity, and how his relationships with people like Zimmer and Cunningham have no impact on his reporting. This is where it all falls apart, though. Because the thing about Perry isn't just that he was falsely accused - but that the paid-for vote was for CUNNINGHAM. And that's a piece of news Klaussen is just not going to touch. The Reporter did, and that was the right thing. Klaussen refuses to, and that makes him a hypocrite of the highest order.
There is just no way around it. You don't "move on" from something like this. Fact is, Klaussen revisits stories all the time. Stories change and evolve, and the great thing about the web it that you can keep adding new posts and links to old posts as new information becomes available. But Klaussen does not want to offend his peeps by printing this truth: THE HCDO BOUGHT VOTES FOR CUNNINGHAM. That would be really inconvenient, because it would make the wrong people unhappy. Klaussen knows this, so he ignores a situation which he cared plenty about when it was a story that made the 'right' people happy. Once the truth came out, it became a non-issue.
Of course, if Klaussen has 'proof' that the Police report clearing Belfiore (and naming Cunningham) is fraudulent, he should trot it out. That's a major scoop. Why is he holding back?
As far as using "No one cares" as a rationale - I certainly hope it is NOT true that no one in Hoboken cares about voter fraud. And I certainly hope that Hoboken is not a place where "No one cares" when an innocent man is slandered. It's sad if Klaussen is right about this - and it means the town is beyond saving. But here's the thing about the "journalistic integrity" Klaussen claims to possess in such abundance: It's rarely convenient. You don't publish something because the right people "care". You publish it because it matters and because it is true. It was doubly important that Klaussen publish the truth about Belfiore, because he did so much to spread the lie. It's that simple, and Klaussen knows it. He simply lacks the courage, and the integrity, to do the right thing. Yet, as Concha points out elsewhere in his piece, Klaussen is well-known for his blistering mockery of the Reporter's standards and practices.
I challenge anyone among the 411 crowd to stand up and insist that Klaussen do the right thing, and correct his false story (giving the correction equal weight with the original story, naturally, and placing the blame for the bought votes on Cunningham, where it belongs). This should, of course, have happened as soon as the news became known, and without my urging. I doubt it will happen, but it IS what a "real reformer" would do. Otherwise, all the 411 talk about transparency in government is merely "reform for thee, but not for me". Hoboken 411 is dominated by cheap, easy, facile, babble (and lots of posturing for position) which places the blame for government failures on demonized 'outsiders'. The site never seriously challenges itself to achieve a higher standard, settling instead for a puerile mockery of others. This will change nothing about what's wrong in Hudson County. 411 will never become a meaningful and respected site without a surprise appearance from Klaussen's backbone. (But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.)
Well, I've made no friends on either side here, have I? But that's the price of being straightforward. Concha and Klaussen are BOTH troubled individuals engaged in unsupportable 'journalistic' practices. Both are self-aggrandizing, but while Concha is smarmy and insincere, Klaussen is outright dishonest. He cites his token criticism of his cronies (yes, 'reformers' can have 'cronies' as well, and Klaussen's sure got 'em) and holds that up as 'proof' of an integrity he neither possesses nor understands. He publishes foul but convenient lies, then covers up his actions. It's reprehensible, and it's unsupportable. Shame on his audience for looking the other way. They're as guilty as he is.
More on the Politics of Corruption and Hoboken 411.
UPDATE: An unreported but important clue regarding who's lying appears in Klaussen's hit piece, where someone at the scene (a Cunningham supporter) embellished the story by alleging that "Stack" paid the voter off. I'm reasonably sure Brian Stack did not give any money or personnel to Perry's runoff election. No one gave Belfiore financial support in the runoff, he was pretty much orphaned. Even the Russos look to have been bought off, as per the typical HCDO MO. And of course, one can only wonder if this poor fellow had ANY idea who was giving him money. Should we believe someone actually told this guy: "Oh, Brian Stack's buying votes here."? Was he so crafty as to deduce this for himself? Did he even give a damn where the money came from? Or is it more likely that Cunningham supporters, put on the spot by an embarrassing and unexpected revelation (hey, they were the "reformers", after all), concocted a story so their candidate would not be embarrassed?
And that they'll say anything to prop that story up, even today?
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19 Comments:
There is absolutely no reason for 411 to correct his voter fraud story. I personally witnessed the man speaking with the police officers, before being place in the police car. The man said that he was paid to vote for Belfiore. At some point between then and when he made is offical statement his story changed.
It's not surprising to see a denunciation of the police report show up so quickly after this piece was posted. This is the 'proof' Klaussen refers to.
And it's complete garbage. Here's why:
1) The claim asserts that this homeless man lied to the police. No motivation for this act is offered. Neither is any motivation given for his telling one story, and then another.
2) The claim asserts that the homeless man was first telling the truth, and then telling a lie. On what basis is this known to be a fact? Why would he not lie to the person who caught him, and then tell the truth to the second (and higher) authority figure he met - the police officer? This is if anything a MORE likely scenario than the alternative.
3) I also know a witness on the scene. It was Belfiore himself, who spoke to me the day it happened. The homeless man said "Cunningham" – BOTH times.
What's that you say? Belfiore had to be lying? Ah, but Belfiore told me his story BEFORE the police report came out. And the report backed him up. He didn't need an awkward explanation about switched stories to make his account jibe with the police report.
And Belfiore's not here shrieking about how this affair requires no further explanation, either. Which is more than one can say for Perry "NO ONE CARES" Klaussen and a commenter who refuses to back his claims with a name.
4) Here's the most important reason "Anonymous'" explanation smells to high heaven. That is: The nature of these (fairly standard) HCDO election fraud schemes. This was a homeless guy, uninvolved and uninterested in the 5th Ward race. He lived in a Jersey City shelter. He just wanted an easy ten bucks.
This guy can reasonably be assumed to be short on mental acuity. (That's the most PC-way I can phrase it.) The organizers of the vote fraud scheme (and these things do have to be fairly well organized) were not in the least interested in educating this guy about the election and its issues. They wanted him to go forth with the clearest possible understanding of his mission. They told him, over and over, that he was to pull the lever for ONE candidate. The cop heard the one name he knew: CUNNINGHAM.
He didn't know about Belfiore. No one told him about Belfiore. Chances are he never heard the name before in his life.
On the other hand, let's say he had been told to vote for Belfiore. In that case, he would not have known the name Cunningham. Therefore, the only way the Police report could have said "Cunningham" would be if the cop had been lying. Is our "Anonymous" commenter claiming the cop AND the homeless guy lied?
I don't think a commenter afraid to give his name would go so far as to implicate the cop on the scene. That would be quite a hole to dig himself out of. So he will want us to believe that, in the confusion of the moment, this homeless man heard the name "Cunningham" used. He then decided, for reasons unknown, to change his story. Why? Since I have found that lies get more and more convoluted as you examine them, I could only determine such a claim (were it to be made) to be a lie.
The simplest solution here is that we have a commenter with a lot invested in perpetuating a lie. He does NOT want this vote fraud story examined, but he cannot substantiate his claims. The best advice I can give him is to peddle it in Klaussen's 411 chat-sewer, where it conforms to the prevailing winds and will be accepted without examination.
How comforting to know that those who would insulate us from government corruption have no qualms regarding their own.
I too spoke to Belfiore, and Cunningham, both of whom claimed to have no prior knoweledge of plans to pay people to commit voter fraud. I believe them both, however, if Belfiore said that he witnessed the police speaking to the accused he is lying. Neither you nor Belfiore were at the scene, I was. I also happen to know all 4 of the bystanders who were in earshot of the police questioning the man on the street. It was a Cunningham challenger who questioned the man's identity, called the police and pursued the man as he fled. As the challanger spoke, he explained that he was a Cunningham challenger, this may be how the man got Cunningham's name.
Clearly you missed it when I said that I heard the man speaking to police on the street. I have no way of knowing if the man's story was truthful the first or the second time he spoke to the police. All I am doing is relaying what I personally witnessed. Discounting my statements because I am unable to explain why the accused changed his story, a desperate attempt to disparage you competition.
"a desperate attempt to disparage you competition."
Not feeling particularly desperate, actually. I'm not the one who's afraid to have his name made known, and I'm not chasing this meme around trying to squash it. That would be you, doing all that.
"All I am doing is relaying what I personally witnessed."
No, that's not all you're doing. You came on to this site trying to squash the police record:
"There is absolutely no reason for 411 to correct his voter fraud story"
In fact, there is EVERY reason. By your own admission, you cannot demonstrate that the man lied when he said Cunningham was the candidate he had been paid to vote for. Yet despite this, you were adamant that the Police record citing Cunningham did not need to be added to Klaussen's account.
"Discounting my statements because I am unable to explain why the accused changed his story"
Wrong again. Your statement is worthless because YOU CANNOT PROVE THE MAN LIED TO THE COPS.
You've had two shots to make your case, and failed on both. The act is getting thin. Afraid to state your name? Head over to 411, where that's acceptable. (As long as you're shilling for the right candidates, anyway.) Advance your agenda over there.
"As the challanger spoke, he explained that he was a Cunningham challenger, this may be how the man got Cunningham's name."
As I said in my previous comment, this doesn't wash. The guy had no reason to change his story, he was committing voter fraud regardless. He had been clearly instructed, over and over, on one name and one name only. In the heat of the moment, he changes his story, for reasons no one can think of? He offers two different versions? Uh-uh.
"I too spoke to Belfiore, and Cunningham, both of whom claimed to have no prior knoweledge of plans to pay people to commit voter fraud. I believe them both"
I do too. But the HCDO is famous for voter fraud, and Cunningham accepted their help. Pretending you don't know how they're going to "help" you, given their history, means you're either stupid, incompetent, or just deliberately looking the other way, like Sgt. Schultz in the old 'Hogan's Heroes' series. None of these options makes the candidate a big winner in my book.
And ONLY Cunningham had support from an organization capable of pulling off the fraud. Belfiore had nothing left for the runoff, he didn't run a single ad or send out a mailer. He had a few flyers handed out door to door, and that was it. Belfiore thought he had the Russos' support, but that mysteriously vanished as well. (It would not be the first time the Russos played a candidate for a better offer.)
" if Belfiore said that he witnessed the police speaking to the accused he is lying"
And I am supposed to accept the word of someone who won't identify himself, over Perry Belfiore's, because...?
Huh. Can't think of a single reason. But that's what all this amounts to, isn't it? We have "your word" that the guy was lying when he said "Cunningham" for the record, and telling the truth when he said "Belfiore" earlier. (If, indeed, that's what happened. Other witnesses have a different story.) And that's all we have. You offer nothing to back that up.
Seems a little... desperate.
As I said, take your business elsewhere. You're contributing nothing to our knowledge of this affair, aside from reinforcing the prevailing sense that someone has something to hide.
I think you're off on a couple of points.
First the Hoboken Reporter is not unbiased. They pick and choose very carefully what to publish and how to present their stories. Hoboken411 is a competitor and they took full advantage of the situation to make their rival look bad. Concha opportunistically did the same.
Not to mention the political columnists don't do much digging on their own. They simply report whatever rumors people will tell them and they are careful not to offend these sources.
Finally I actually met and spoke with the person who chased down and caught the man who tried to vote illegally. The person who caught the guy was a Cunningham vote challenger! That the criminal quickly wised up and changed his story doesn't mean that Hoboken411 is wrong to stand by their story. Frankly I find it far more believable that Perry's campaign was buying votes than was Peter's.
The more I learn of Hoboken politics the more I am disgusted by the old guard.
"First the Hoboken Reporter is not unbiased."
I've criticized them plenty. They also deserve praise when merited.
"Not to mention the political columnists don't do much digging on their own. They simply report whatever rumors people will tell them and they are careful not to offend these sources."
This is a frequent criticism of media in general. I certainly have found it to be true.
"The person who caught the guy was a Cunningham vote challenger!"
Yes, indeed. I am pretty sure he expected to catch someone buying votes for Belfiore.
"That the criminal quickly wised up and changed his story doesn't mean that Hoboken411 is wrong to stand by their story. Frankly I find it far more believable that Perry's campaign was buying votes than was Peter's."
Umm... the story he wised up and changed to was that he was told to vote for Cunningham.
"The more I learn of Hoboken politics the more I am disgusted by the old guard."
Okay, well, 'meet the new boss...' Thanks for the input.
Yes, indeed. I am pretty sure he expected to catch someone buying votes for Belfiore.
He spotted the guy because he was being handed either cash or an envelope, I forget which. Cunningham's campaign was not that large so Cunningham's challenger probably would have either known or recognized the guy handing out the cash and would have said something to him instead of following the guys paid to vote and then surprising them at the poll.
Umm... the story he wised up and changed to was that he was told to vote for Cunningham.
Yeah, Duh. What do you expect the guy to do. How could it possibly help him to finger the people who really paid him to the cops. Can you think of any, ANY, reason why he would have lied to the cops once he had caught his breath and had a moment to think?
But hey it's a free country believe what you like. Personally I find it more plausible that an entrenched member of the old guard who knows his way around politics paid a guy to vote.
" Can you think of any, ANY, reason why he would have lied to the cops once he had caught his breath and had a moment to think?"
No, not a single reason. He was paid to vote for Cunningham, just like he said after he 'caught his breath' and all. Hey, I agree with you...
"Personally I find it more plausible that an entrenched member of the old guard who knows his way around politics paid a guy to vote."
...I'm just not sure that you agree with you.
"THE HCDO BOUGHT VOTES FOR CUNNINGHAM."
How do you know this? How do you know anyone bought votes for cunningham and further that it was the HCDO who did it?
Granted I'm not an expert but I don't see anything on Cunningham's elect reports to indicate HCDO support.
BTW did Belfiore file his campaign finance reports for the run off?
"How do you know this? How do you know anyone bought votes for cunningham"
You just said it yourself. After the guy caught his breath, he told the cops the truth. He told the cops he was told to vote for Cunningham. THAT is what appears on the Police Report.
"I don't see anything on Cunningham's elect reports to indicate HCDO support"
The HCDO's impact is in manpower and street money, and in engineering dirty politics. It doesn't show up in the ELEC reports.
"did Belfiore file his campaign finance reports for the run off?"
That's off-topic, but you know where the ELEC site is. Take a look.
"further that it was the HCDO who did it"
Yes, both Cunningham and Zimmer had HCDO support. This has been widely reported, and at first it certainly was not denied. At one time, the 'reform' of the HCDO (remember when Marsh ran on an HCDO ticket?) was loudly trumpeted by Soares and Lenz. Once everyone was done laughing at this, tactics changed and the candidates' HCDO affiliations were denied to the extent they could do so credibly.
Only the HCDO or the Russos had the necessary machinery to engineer vote fraud. It requires a certain amount of co-ordination. I have not heard of vote fraud involving Stack, but Stack wasn't supporting the same candidates as the HCDO.
It's been fun, Anon, but I can't keep going 'round this with you. Time constraints, other comments to answer, other commitments. As you told me, believe whatever you want. Go in peace, good luck.
The bottom line is that Perry Klaussen is NO DIFFERENT from the politicians and publications he tells his sheep readers are so corrupt. He has an agenda and gets paid to push that agenda. The sheep on his message boards say they are so disgusted with Hoboken politics but the new "reformers" are just as disingenuous. As for Concha, he's just taking advantage of the whole situation by piggy-backing on Michael Mullins homework.
I love the Hoboken411 posters, BTW. They want to know if Mullins is being paid off by Campos to skew his political coverage but have no problem with Klaussen cashing Dawn's checks so he can be her undercover campaign manager. What a bunch of phonies!
while H411 may not be totally impartial, I don't think he is for sale. His site is covered with real estate ads but continues to bash new development.
"His site is covered with real estate ads but continues to bash new development."
True. That might be integrity – a willingness to risk your ad base. Or it might be hypocrisy. After all, someone truly committed to ending overdevelopment might be a bit more choosy. This might be a case of "do what I say, not what I do". But one thing's certain - when someone ELSE does this, Klaussen calls him a hypocrite, loudly and often. So, sauce for the goose.
I don't think the term "for sale" is exactly on the table here re Klaussen. It's a matter of being willing to risk the relationships he values most (the ones that offer him praise and perceived importance) when an issue of significance is on the line. Look at what Klaussen started when he posted the lie about Belfiore. Now, imagine that this is YOU being spoken of.
One can argue he did not have the entire story when he wrote the post. All right. But then the police report came out contradicting the early reports about Belfiore's involvement - REPORTS THAT CAME FROM CUNNINGHAM SUPPORTERS by the way. Well, right there is good reason to doubt the original reports, because those who issued the original reports were NOT unbiased. They had reason to lie, and they were and are accusing others of lying as well. This additional information needs to be reported, and the local paper correctly did so. But Klaussen refuses to do so. His crowd would not like it. And interestingly, certain people are coming out of the woodwork to try and keep a lid on the story.
People who crow as loud as Klaussen does about conflicts of interest in others need to keep their own affairs spicky-span. But not only won't Klaussen do the right thing, but he becomes abusive when told to do the right thing.
This affair somehow feels worse than merely being 'for sale'. Prostitutes are for sale, but they generally own up to the nature of their business. Klaussen wants easy, painless integrity, while taking cheap potshots at others who often have tough decisions to make. It's sad, but it's also slimy.
I thought Mr. Snitch was Perry Belfiore? No?
"I thought Mr. Snitch was Perry Belfiore? No?"
You're asking me? Would you ask Batman if he was Bruce Wayne?
It's really no secret who I am. "Mister Snitch" isn't so much a disguise as an alter ego. "Mark Twain" wasn't THAT writer's real name, either.
Face it Snitch. Perry Klaussen controls politics in this town now while people like Concha and you are admirers from afar.
"Perry Klaussen controls politics in this town now"
What an absurd notion. Of course he does no such thing. He's along for the ride, at best.
"while people like Concha and you are admirers from afar."
I don't know how anyone could confuse Concha's remarks, or mine, with anything even resembling admiration for Klaussen.
I've gotten a couple of comments along the lines of the one above. This one is going to have to represent the others of this stripe, because they don't contribute anything to the discussion and they're not worth the time it takes to respond. I suppose their purpose is to 'put me in my place', or something like that, but they're merely trite and tedious.
If you've gotten several of that ilk, then they are likely from Mr. Klaussen himself, no?
Not necessarily. Klaussen's site has many supporters who love the site because it reflects their beliefs. To have their viewpoint reinforced and enlarged, they are not only willing to gloss over inaccuracies or even lies, but in fact become quite agitated when these failings are noted. Such behavior is not unprecedented, of course. It's human nature.
More likely, then, it's a fan (or fans) of the site who doesn't want annoying criticisms to undermine the comfort of their belief system.
The fact remains, however, that (1) Klaussen's report came from Cunningham supporters, who could not be considered unbiased, and that (2) the police report says the vote was bought for Cunningham.
The same Cunningham supporters who claimed the guy said "Belfiore' now claim that he changed his story for the cops. Oh, well then. No need for Klaussen to fill his readers' heads with messy doubts when he has reliable reports from one side of the political seesaw. After all, one side is enough, if it's OUR side.
Besides, surely Cunningham's supporters would no more cover up an embarrassing occurrence than they would accept support from a sleazy political organization like the HCDO.
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