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Monday, May 30, 2005

How to make a Fantastic comic book adaptation

Batman
This summer's blockbuster, 'Batman Begins', employed an approach to its creation so ingenious that it now seems self-evident. Its creators adopted the premise that, over the 70+ years of the character's existence, substantial talents had from time to time made major contributions to the many Batman titles. This suggested that there was market-tested, proven Batman material in DC Comics' archives, waiting to be mined and repurposed.

This approach was substantially different from most comic book film adaptations (including the earlier Batman series), which assume the actual comics have little of substance to bring to a film (partly because comics' creators have traditionally been snubbed in favor of pricier screenwriters). At the other extreme, the flawed 'Sin City' slavishly traced over Frank Miller's 'graphic novels', committing the comics' ideas and images to film in the most literal fashion possible, and making few accomodations to the needs of a different medium. (This was because Miller, having been burned by Hollywood in the past, had rejected years of offers to make the film. When Miller finally gave the nod, the movie was made 'by the book', for better or worse.) 'Begins' creators Chris Nolan and David Goyer were under no such constraints, and were free to cherry-pick the most promising ideas from years of the best work of numerous artists & writers, crafting them into a coherent, original film. It might be argued that 'Begins' has as much in common with Ken Burns' 'Civil War' as it does with Brian Singer's 'X-Men'. It's more of a documentarian's than a screenwriter's approach, similar to the screenwriting philosophy employed with great success in the precedent-setting 'Spiderman' films.

Coming-of-Galactus
Unfortunately, this summer's 'Fantastic Four' movie took a far more pedestrian approach to its subject. Like all lesser comic book adaptations, the film was made with insufficient understanding of or respect for its source material. As a result, the characters are - and fall - as flat as the drawings they're based upon. Like Batman without Gotham City, the FF were divorced from the context and subtext that once made them one of the world's best-selling and most passionately followed comic books.

If-this-be-Doomsday
During the 1960's, when today's CGI science fiction films were, well, science fiction, The Fantastic Four comics were roughly the pop-culture equivalent of Star Wars films. They took their readers on new, amazing adventures each month, regularly featuring a wildly popular villain who in form and style was the precursor to Darth Vader. For all their flair, the books' creators never took themselves or their creation too seriously. In the early issues, the characters were even aware that they were comic book characters. Lee and Kirby knew exactly when to play it straight, and when to stick a fork in the soufflé.

Death-of-a-Hero
One unique aspect of these books was the "grand comic opera" approach of their covers. This began toward the end of their second year, when the comic began to develop a powerful sense of itself. Kirby's over-the-top, melodramatic poses built upon potboiler story titles (a perfect fit for the books' angst-driven teenage readership of that time) that sounded more like Cecil B. DeMille spectacles than comics. Scenery-chewing headlines such as 'Death of a Hero', 'Those who would Destroy Us', 'The Coming of Galactus', and 'The Sentry Sinister' would often include tongue-in-cheek subtext such as: "You are not likely to read a tale like this ever again! Truly, it is a Marvel Masterwork of most compelling excellence!" and "Never before such daring drama... such raw realism!". The juxtaposition of Kirby's compelling, Lichtenstein-inspiring pop-art (note that one cover shown here employs that very term) with grandiose yet self-parodying dialogue was inspired. The FF covers and comics of that era are unparalleled in any media, before or since.

If the '60's were the time to blow one's mind, the FF accomplished the task much more efficiently than Timothy Leary - and for only 12 cents. Their adventures took them everywhere on earth, under the earth, under the sea, in the sky, on distant planets, and in other dimensions (although Galactus saved them at least one trip, by landing on their roof). Kirby and Lee maintained their epic dimensions by returning repeatedly to commonplace points of reference. Ben Grimm could hurl a bus a hundred yards, but he was helpless against 'those blamed Yancy Streeters' who taunted him about his grotesque form. While battling Galactus (who was up on their roof, remember), a godlike being preparing to consume the Earth like a cosmic cheeseburger, the FF took a break to eat, bathe and shave. (When did you ever see Superman pause long enough for even a cup of coffee?) And like any family, they had their squabbles (theirs merely caused more collateral damage than most). While these crucial subtleties seem to have been mishandled by the FF film's creators, keener minds at Pixar beat the FF to the draw by incorporating them fully into their wildly successful 'The Incredibles'.

Those-who-would-destroy-us
A major challenge to creating a transcendant Spiderman or Batman adaptation is in finding the right researchers. David Goyer, Begins' screenwriter, has admitted to 'knowing more about Batman than the folks at DC'. This suggests that the best insights into Superhero Culture may not exist within the hierarchy of the increasingly-corporate comic book industry itself, but among its fans and occasional contributors (bringing us back to 'Sin City's' Miller, considered to have contributed more to the Batman oeuvre than anyone in the last 20 years or so). Compounding the challenge is the fact that the combination of such insight, and the ability to weave the threads into a coherent screenplay (as Goyer did), is quite rare.

Batman-comparison
[above] Character research for comic-based films should include poring over art, searching for defining poses, situations, and lighting. Particularly helpful for Nolan and Goyer was the fact that superstar superhero painter Alex Ross had opened eyes and stirred imaginations with his iconic 'realistic' renderings of classic characters, including Batman. Ross' years of work in this area meant that Nolan had a leg-up in his quest for a 'grounded' look-and-feel to Batman. Similar study of 'Spiderman' artwork led to the inclusion of many iconic poses and characterizations in the recent Spiderman films. Unfortunately, the FF movie won't bear any trace of 'King' Kirby's (generally) beloved eccentricities, as far as we can tell from the released stills and trailers.

The Batman images above offer insights as to how Nolan and Goyer built on the character's culture. They understood that the rayon-like texture of Ross' watercolor renderings of Batman's cape look flimsy and absurd if filmed. (Think Adam West, the 60's Batman.) Nolan understood that Ross and other artists needed this kind of shimmering look to give life to unmoving, printed images, but a filmed version demanded something different. In fact, this was understood at the time of the Burton-era films. However, the heavy rubber used in the Burton films made the costume heavy and awkward. This made it impossible to actually do the stunts required of a real Batman, and the films of that time had to shoot around that awkward fact. For 'Begins', new cape materials were tested and decided upon, so that the character could move more freely.

Then there was the matter of the iconic 'bat pose', in which the arms hold the cape out. This was done early on in both the TV series and the Burton films - but not more than once or twice. As iconic as the pose was, it was strictly theatrical and had no real purpose. (Actually, it would have placed a real-life Batman in harm's way, with arms outsretched and in an awkward position for either attack or retreat.) In fact, capes in general tend to reveal themselves as purposeless, even dangerous eccentricities (a point that was brilliantly spoofed in 'The Incredibles'). This put the creators in a quandary - allow the iconic poses and sacrifice 'reality', or eliminate them and lose the imagery best-identified with the character? Nolan and Goyer devised a pragmatic yet inspired use for the cape, which in the film is capable of stiffening and allowing for a sort of 'winged' flight. In this way, they managed to put more 'bat' in Batman without the usual sacrifice of credulity.

Batman with black belt
As was the case since Burton's first film, Batman is pragmatically given full-body armor. He is even blacker than his film predecessors (for greater invisibility), the only holdout being that bright gold utility belt. As the excellent 3D fan art above demonstrates, a real-life Batman would probably mute that, as well.

This depth of insight was applied to all aspects of the character. Changes to the comic rendition were made only when that rendition would fail in the transition to film. But when changes were made, 'Begins' creators were always mindful of maintaining the truest spirit of the original, and enhancing it where possible. Contrast this with the usual comic book adaptation process, designed almost exclusively to expedite the film's production.

It's-clobberin'-time!
[above] The type of detail missed by the FF adaptation is shown here. In the comics, the Thing's 'It's Clobberin' Time' tagline was always portrayed as a shout. In the film, it's mumbled through prosthetic 'thing' teeth. This could have been easily addressed - had anyone thought it significant.

Truck-hits-the-Thing
[above] Two clips from the trailer, where a truck hits the Thing, and a crudely Photoshopped version of the scene below it. Right off we have a problem where Ben Grimm is standing too upright - his center of balance is too high. On impact, he doesn't move (as if bolted to the ground). Kirby handled scenes like this by having the action fill the frame (note all the extraneous road activity in the top two shots). So: in the bottom frame, we bent Ben over further and allowed him to be pushed toward the viewer by the momentum of the impact. (We also widened the truck slightly - Kirby liked to shred metal and have it explode outward, so this was a rough rendition of that.) The impact would have filled the frame (eventually showing just Ben's upper body wrestling with the truck and containing the impact) - in the best Kirbyesque tradition. The impact would also have torn up a lot of asphalt - note that almost every FF cover shown here involves some sort of broken masonry. (Of course, his fallen comrade would also be shoved back by the impact, but would remain behind Ben and safe from actual harm.)

In the trailer, Ben simply disappears inside the crumbling truck - along with an opportunity for a more dramatic rendition of his heroism. Kirby did everything possible to place his reader at the very center of scenes such as this - whereas the FF trailer merely renders it. We would have also slowed down the actual moment of impact, making the most of the close-up of Grimm containing the crash. The trailer then goes on to show a new angle showing the truck flipping up, which is fine - but our 'Kirbier' version would have pulled back to also reveal a hundred yards of shredded asphalt and other scattered debris, adding visual punch and dramatic resonance to the scene.

Among-us-hide-the-Inhumans!
The FF movie failed to rise to the challenge of mining and translating the sublime, subversively self-aware, pulpy pleasures of its source material to the screen. This same failing doomed 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy', which sank from sight, unmourned, shortly after it appeared some weeks ago. The FF no doubt will suffer a similar, equally undeserved, fate. Where the FF failed to capture the original effort's spirit, Begins' creators all but held a seance. Begins found Batman's edgy, dark and resonant center and infused the cast and crew with an infectious enthusiasm for their iconic project (and likely sequels). The FF's original self-mocking, pulp sci-fi wit and sweeping scale were lost on its cast, who treated the project as just another gig.

sentry-sinister-&-by-Ben-be
One film is destined to push our hot buttons at a Star Wars level, the other will be swept into the yawning pop culture remainder bin. The expectations for films of this type have been raised along with the stakes. The potential rewards from film franchises such as a Star Wars or Matrix are enormous. But because there is so much product that has been or will be made, only the most outstanding efforts will see reward. Such is the state of the sci-fi and comic film marketplace.

Magnus,_Robot_Fighter
Now, how do we get Ken Burns to tackle 'Magnus, Robot Fighter'?

{More 'comic-book lit': Batman vs. Bayonne, Hulk vs. Yourish, and Men in black (capes)}

{A 'nuts & bolts' guide on another site re how comic book adaptations are made.}

{UPDATE: Quite a few FF fans took exception to our post's 'jumping the gun' on 'their' film. While Batman opened to mostly positive reviews (and more than a few raves), here's some of what the New York Times' A.O. Scott said about the Fantastic Four: "If you like your special effects- driven summer action blockbusters slick, seamless and state of the art, then "Fantastic Four" may not be for you. While the superpowers and their consequences - flames, stretchy limbs, force fields and so on - no doubt required a great deal of money and expertise to bring to the screen, they look cheap and cheesy. Which may be the point. In an era when movies based on comic books have become increasingly solemn and serious, this one is content to be trashy. Compared with the psychological probing and spiritual brooding of "Batman Begins," "Fantastic Four" is proudly dumb, loud and inconsequential. It is not an allegory, an archetypal tale of good and evil, or the cinematic equivalent of a graphic novel. It's a comic book. ... The group's movie debut is a standard origin story, in which the characters acquire and master their powers and confront their nemesis, one Dr. Doom. With its clumsy rhythms and indifferent acting, the movie ... is more like a television pilot than a big-screen epic, and its sequels would probably play best in half-hour increments on Saturday morning. These days, though, television is probably too smart for a lowest-common-denominator product like "Fantastic Four," which is fantastic only in its commitment to mediocrity. If the filmmakers are trying for a spoofy, light-hearted tone, they succeed only to the point of making the picture unintentionally funny. ... Mr. Chiklis, under 60 pounds of latex, gives the most affecting performance in the movie. The others read their lines and stand around waiting for the special effects to kick in, and for the villain to work out his identity crisis and drop the "Von" from his name." This has been the tone of critics right across the board. We continue to maintain that one CAN tell how a film will turn out by the way its creators approach it. 'Nuff said?}

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14 Comments:

Blogger Vavoom said...

I, for one, enjoyed your review and loved this post. I can't wait for both FF and Begins. Yes, I'm a sucker for anything dripping off the pages of comic books.

5/31/2005 01:41:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

We'll attend both films as well, VV. But while we expect Begins to do Spiderman-like business and spawn a couple of sequels (no-brainer there, WB has everything lined up already), we expect FF to do Daredevil-type numbers. We may eventually see sequels to films like Hulk, Daredevil and the FF, but that's not a given by any means. We attribute the film's (eventual) success to (a) the innate drawing power of the Batman 'brand', and (b) a superior approach, which produced a superior script (as was the case for Spiderman). For comic book adaptations, it's really all about finding out why the comic works in the first place, and getting that to the screen.

Some of the links in this post go to essays on why comic book adaptations work - or don't. There's some interesting reading Easter-egged in the links.

5/31/2005 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Lightning said...

I really believe the slant on the new Fantastic Four movie is a bit biased. Throughout all of the interviews with the actors (especially Michael Chiklis) and the director Tim Story, everyone seems to know what the FF are all about.

As one who has read the final shooting script and the storyboards, it appears that the filmakers did indeed take pains to be as close to the source material as possible with regards to the FF. They've got everything in it: Alicia Masters, Willie Lumpkin, the Yancey Street Gang, the Fantasticar, H.E.R.B.I.E., I mean, there are nuances throughout the script and boards. Now, with Doom, yes some liberties have been taken, but no more than what other adaptations have done. It appears that they are making Victor fill the shoes of Namor with regards to his love-triangle situation with Susan and Reed. While I don't agree with it, it might work well on-screen.

Instead of bashing the F4 film, I think we need to sit tight and wait for the final product and judge then. To do anything in advance would be premature and unfair.

5/31/2005 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

Hello Lightning. Thanks for the thoughtful response. While it's perfectly OK to disagree, we've had to shut down comments for a while due to some trolls from one of the boards posting this link. Hopefully we'll get better discourse, or we'll have to close it down again. We'd love to hear from the fans, but use your indoor voices 'round here. If you REALLY have to make an ass of yourself, do it right and run for office in New Jersey, like the rest of 'em do.

OK. We've seen both scripts, and stand by our conviction that Begins is by far the superior script, and will result in a far better movie than the FF. We are very sorry that this is the case, and wish the producers had achieved a deeper understanding of their source material.

As far as this being a review in advance of the film: it absolutely is. We are reviewing the scripts and the nature of the prep work that went into them, and into the films themselves. We're trying to raise some awareness of how this process ought to happen, in terms of attention to detail and respect for the original work. Batman went about this the 'right' way, but the FF did not, in our opinion. We'll see when the film comes out if we're right.

In regards to the depth of knowledge and committment of the cast, we did get the sense in pieces we've read that Bale and most of the Batman crew had a real sense of mission about the film. We did not get that sense about the FF crew.

Some examples of what we're saying, with links:

At last year's WonderCon, Bale noted that "(the script of) Batman Begins is faithful to the work of creators like Frank Miller, Jeph Loeb, and Alex Ross". He then went on in some detail about how a real Batman would behave and how Wayne would behave. McMahon, by contrast, compared Dr. Doom with Rupert Murdoch, and had no idea who Galactus was. (When told, he said: "Yes, bring Galactus, I'll kick his ass in the next movie!")

As one fan noted: "Thank God for these movie-makers, huh? Bringing some real imagination to that Lee and Kirby stuff (we all know that stuff wasn't the stuff of good entertainment, right?)"

Here is a cynical but cautiously hopeful take on Bale: "'ve been burned too many times waiting for a decent Batman flick. I will say that Bale said all the right things about Batman being the real identity and Bruce Wayne being the mask he uses to keep the real him in check. If anything will make me see this picture, it's his sell job."

In this interview, McMahon is asked if he read FF comics in preparation for the film. McMahon: Oh yeah. Very much so. I used to watch the cartoons when I was young, like 6 or 7. I used to wake up at 5 o'clock in the morning and I remember it was on at 5:30. I used to watch Fantastic Four and then I think the next one was Spider-Man and the guys with the Wonder Twin powers in it.

And then I got into the comic books after watching the cartoons. I was a huge fan when I was kid of all of these Marvel characters.

Needless to say, McMahon did not have any of the names of the seminal creators of the FF at his fingertips, as Bale did.

The project had to be rewritten because of competition from another movie, a new one on us: 12/27/2004 "According to sources, "the entire third act of 'Fantastic Four' has undergone extensive changes as a result of Pixar's 'The Incredibles.' What happened was that "once the creative FF team saw the stretching effects of the 'Incredibles' character Elastigirl, the final battle we're yet to see in 'Fantastic Four' needed to be beefed up, especially what the character of Mister Fantastic was slated to do." 20th Century Fox is reported to have ponied up an additional $20M to bolster the special effects and changes were made to the script "to distance the 'Fantastic Four' ending from that of 'The Incredibles."

Frankly we don't find news like that real promising - it wasn't as good AS A CARTOON, so it had to be redone. Uh oh.

Then there's questions of casting. We know why Bale was cast - he's one intense guy. Here's what happened when three of the FF cast (one didn't show at Comic-con) were asked why they were chosen for their roles: Jessica: Um, I don't know...(to Ioan..) You talk about it... Ioan Gruffudd: I'm a mathematical genius...Gosh, I don't know... Michael: I'm the thug that you want to hug.

Regarding preparation again, this time with Michael (the Thing): "I'm not as familiar with the comic. I'm not nearly as familiar as I thought I was. I was just a kid who loved comics. I didn't study them. I didn't memorize them."

This contrast in study, intensity and preparation between Batman and the FF is evident from the directors to the screenwriters to the prop guys. Hey, if the FF turns out to be a great film, terrific. But if preparation and dedication mean anything in any important task, and we sure think they do, then we know already which of the two will be the better film.

We're big FF fans. We want the FF done right. What we DON'T want is for them to release a bomb and then say, 'Oh that proves the FF doesn't work as a movie.' No, that proves you were sloppy and lazy.

And we're calling them on it. Do it right next time, guys, NOT the way you did this one. Or hand the FF over to someone who can do them justice.

6/01/2005 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Lightning said...

Again, this report is biased...not to mention taken out of context.

* Michael Chiklis is by far the largest FF fan of the roster. Taken from the links you provided: "Micheal Chiklis: [b]That's what I'm talking about...I think among us, I'm the biggest fan of the Fantastic Four, especially growing up. Of course, that makes me the oldest. But I really, truly was a fan. I am aware of how rabid the fans are. How aware they are of every nuance and every aspect of this. Even more familiar than we are of it. I'm a fan."[/b]

So the statement "I'm not as familiar with the comic" appears to be taken out of context, wouldn't you agree? Next point:

*Julian's lack of knowledge of Galactus: What does that have to do with [i]anything?[/i] He is not playing Galactus...he has been cast in the role of Doom. Therefore his having extensive knowlege of every Fantastic nuance is not pertinent for his involvement in this film. Since when is it a requirement for actors to know all 40 years of a comic's history to get a job?

To my recollection, every cast group for these adaptations have been very passive comic readers, if they knew about the comic at all. Yet this did not prevent the Spider-Man and X-Men series from becoming smash successes.

*On Bale's politically correct statements: Let's be frank: "Begins" is a highly anticipated film by its fans. But do you honestly believe that the execs at Warner Bros. would send Christian to that convention NOT prepared to say exactly what was necessary to tickle the ears of rabid fanboys? It's called coaching. Actors recieve it all the time, esp. when prepping to go on talk shows, on-line chats and other broadcasts.

*By the way, I read that WonderCon interview several months ago. And the writer was, to my recollection, an obvious DC/Batman fan. [b]He had no desire to see Fantastic Four at all[/b], and he admitted that he only sat through that Q&A to get good seats for the following "Begins" session. His review of McMahon and FF are clearly jaded and hardly objective...it bleeds through every statement he made. I'm not sure why you're relying on the views of someone who isn't even a Marvel fan like us.

*Finally, as far as the Incredibles are concerned--everyone knows that they spoofed certain elements of the FF--from the media right down to the fanbases. Fox had to chop certain scenes because the Pixar film jacked much of it from the FF source material. And we all know that the "Underminer" was a clear lift in principle from the Mole Man.

So is it any wonder that Fox wanted to revamp their third act to be different? That doesn't spell weakness to me; rather that shows a desire to maintain originality...even if the competitor is NOT being original.

*By the way, Tim Story has been reading the FF books since he was at least 12 years old. His interviews show he has more than just 'surface' knowledge of the FF. He also knows he's not going to be able to cram 40 years of history into 2 hours.

Like I said, the film's plot has been guarded carefully, and about 30% of the draft you've likely read has been changed, all the way up to 2 months ago.

While I won't say that Fox has not dropped the ball in certain aspects of this production, out of fairness, let's sit tight and wait before we dismiss this adaptation.

6/01/2005 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Marcus Lusk said...

I think Lightning pretty much laid bare the problems with your sources and the conclusions you've drawn. Especially with McMahon, Chiklis and Tim Story. Alba, Gruffoad and Evans were totally ignorant of the FF as far as I know, but so the f**k what? They're actors for crying out loud. Story's intimate familiarity and love of the characters, and that of Chiklis, much more than makes up for any lack of knowledge the actors may have lacked. You know, if we only cast super-knowledgeable fans in these roles, we'd probably have quite an untalented and unattractive cast. Somehow, I don't buy into the "seance" picture you paint with Bale, Caine and company. I'm sure they all wanted to do a good job, but I'd be shocked if Michael Caine read one Batman story. Shocked.
The latest FF pics are extremely encouraging. No way this is another HULK. Even with the admittedly major problems it has (especially in altering Doom's origin) it still looks like it may kick ass. And yes, it looks a lot more interesting than BEGINS, which while it may finally "get it right" is still a big budget CPR attempt on an otherwise mortally wounded franchise. Let's face it, there's nothing to assault the fans' senses in FF like the awful entireties of Shoemacher's last 2 travesties. The Batman franchise (and make no mistake, I LOVE Batman; have for 35 years) has a lot to live down. I know plenty of guys (fans) who are *not* going to see BEGINS until after the first few weekends and they know from word of mouth that it's good, or they're waiting for the DVD. Surprised the hell out of me, especially with all the "faithful" looking footage we've seen from the movie. My little boy is 4 years old and loves Batman and the FF equally. But he is *much* more excited by the prospect of seeing the FF film than BEGINS. If only because it promises to be the more visually spectacular of the two - by a long stretch. No matter how nipple-less the new rubber Batsuit may be, BEGINS doesn't have a recognizable Batman villain (not to the general public) and it doesn't have a man on fire streaking around the sky, a hot-list actress like Alba, or even an about-to-be-hot actor like Chris Evans. It will also not have nearly the humor and freshness that FF will offer, flaws and all.
FF is an easy date movie, as well as an obvious family film. Girlfriends will not be that keen on seeing Batman, I predict.And after 5 weeks of the Chris Evans-heavy FF ad blitz, Girls will actually be eager to see FF.
We'll see. :)

6/01/2005 01:06:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

Thanks, Marcus and Lightning. Hope you'll stop by again in the fall, after the public has rendered their verdict on these films.

6/01/2005 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Lightning said...

No, thank you for the opportunity to be heard.

As far as the fall: Well, I can't speak for my collegues, but I know I'll be here with bells and whistles on!

*grin*

6/01/2005 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

Oh, well, in THAT case, send a photo, too!

6/01/2005 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Ben Coleman said...

A facinating article, and some very interesting responses. Just goes to show that Comic fans are verbose, literate and accomplished in the field of debate.

My own opinions: other than the 1st Spider-man movie, I have been consistently disappointed by the marvel movies. The urge to slap a thick veneer of gloss, bad CGI graphics and hideous nu-metal has rendered many of them unwatchable for me.

I held out little hope for the FF movie (surely one of the hardest of all projects to tackle). If the hollywood system could mess up Daredevil, I don't think they can handle the weight and history of the FF.

Nonetheless, after reading this article, and the very interesting responses, I shall probably go and see both films, and I feel almost optimistic regarding the new Batman venture.

I actually thought that the Incredibles film was thoroughly well executed, although the plagarism (homage) was overt. But I'm hungry for some super-family action with a little less tongue wedged in it's cheek.

Also, let's see some Kang next time!

6/02/2005 05:38:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

When I was a kid, comics were only read by kids. Today, there's still a stigma, but it's not the 'arrested development' deal it once was. And truth be told, a lot of comics are more literate than they used to be.

You make a great point about the glossy veneer of today's CGI-heavy films, something Nolan reacted against strongly in the new Batman film.

Funny, they made the CGI work for them in Spiderman. The Spiderman movies' brightness and crispness help the character in the same way the grittiness, 'realness' and muted pallette will, I think, work for Batman.

They tried to make Daredevil gritty too, and it was, but it didn't feel real. It felt forced, contrived. Yet the Matrix movies' grit wasn't real either, but was easier to accept. Maybe that's because the Matrix world was SUPPOSED to be CGI. That was the point of the Matrix, of course, it was a CGI world we live in.

You also make a great point about villains. You have to have a villain you feel something for, someone larger than life. Vader was the best example - really, he's what you strive to create in a villain. Kang resembles Vader in some superficial aspects. No surprise since he's descended from Doom and Vader is sort of a Doom clone (whether Lucas knows or admits that or not).

The Incredibles was great, and I think Pixar had a right to make a 'superhero parody'. I also like the Hulk more with repeated viewings. I think Ang Lee did a lot with it, but the problem is that the story is not satisfying for a majority of people.

Thanks for writing.

6/02/2005 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger TheBogMan said...

Mr.Snitch said: "Vader was the best example - really, he's what you strive to create in a villain. Kang resembles Vader in some superficial aspects. No surprise since he's descended from Doom and Vader is sort of a Doom clone (whether Lucas knows or admits that or not)."

Well I'm glad someone has the cajones to say that these days! :) I'm almost certain that I read Lucas citing Doom as an inspiration of sorts for Vader, in some interview over 20 years ago, but damned if I can remember where. But just mention the obvious similarities to today's Star Wars fans and watch them freak out.

6/02/2005 01:44:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

••But just mention the obvious similarities to today's Star Wars fans and watch them freak out.••

I'm not aware of that specifically, but I do know that many comics/sci-fi fans take a highly proprietary stance toward 'their' characters, and take considerable umbrage at any implication that their character(s) might not be cut from whole cloth.

There was a very good recent (April) Wired seminar on the subject of 'who owns culture' that's pertinent to this subject. (Link goes to a video, or should anyway.) Worthwhile.

On this board and others I've seen, there's been a lot of chest-thumping over The Incredibles' "unapproved appropriation" of the Fantastic Four's 'original' ideas. In this case, even the film's execs got into the act. Problem with that stance, of course, is that Plastic Man outdated Reed Richards, and there was an Invisible Man long before there was an Invisible Woman. To go further, Stan Lee has owned as to how The Hulk was appropriated from Jekyl & Hyde, and Bob Kane admitted that Batman was modeled after Dracula (and some say, Spring-Heeled Jack as well).

As far as The Fantastics is concerned, clearly it's a parody. In order to have a parody, you have to have a resemblance to whatever's being parodied. That's fair use. But even if you reject the parody premise, the issue of originality is rarely black and white. Key here is that the very nature of the FF's powers is, actually, pretty irrelevant. Maybe Sue isn't invisible, maybe she grows to enormous size. Maybe Ben Grimm is purple and scaley instead of orange and rocky. Maybe Johhny is iceman or aquaboy. It doesn't matter. What matters is the way they developed, the way they interacted, the adventures they had. The value of those characters was built over years of work and development by the comics' creators. Had there not been something outstanding in that body of work, we would not care about a guy who stretches (if that's all there was to it, we'd be watching a Plastic Man movie this year). And that is what I am afraid the film's creators missed. They saw the flame guy, the rock guy, the stretchy guy and so on - they saw the superficial aspects of the FF's relationships, but failed to translate to film all the wonder and joy that Kirby and Lee managed to evoke over the years. There was poetry there. That's what I think they missed in that project, and Nolan and company found in theirs.

So. Come back in a few months, let's see if that's the case.

6/02/2005 05:22:00 PM  
Blogger Mr. Snitch said...

Begins opens in Japan: A lot of you will have already seen this site, but for those who have not:

(1) There's something otherworldly about the handling of type, and the fact that it's Japanese. Very elegant.

(2) There's film of the opening night crowd, but what's important is that the score is played (in high-quality sound) over most of it. Sounds more like the opening of an opera than the opening of any comic book film I've seen. Nolan reportedly wanted something Blade Runner-esque. I think he got it, in the score at least.

6/02/2005 07:37:00 PM  

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